Just winners, Raptors vs Magic perspective

When you read the following article:


Magic match Bulls’ offer sheet to retain Redick

The decision drives the Magic deeper into the luxury tax and gives them one of the NBA’s highest payrolls at about $93 million next season. The move keeps Orlando’s roster mostly intact as the Magic hope continuity will overcome Miami’s All-Star trio and Boston’s Big Three in the Eastern Conference.

“When it came down to it, when we’re talking about what we’re trying to do here, it came down for me to pedigree, DNA, things that most people don’t think about,” Orlando general manager Otis Smith said. “It was less about the money for me, being the basketball guy, and more about keeping a guy around that we’ve had in our organization for the past four years.”

The decision was ultimately made by ownership.

Because Redick was a restricted free agent, Orlando had seven days to match the contract. Billionaire owner Rich DeVos and team president Bob Vander Weide took all seven days to make the move that nearly doubles Redick’s salary from last season.

Teams have to pay a dollar for every dollar they are over the luxury tax, which the league set at $70.3 million for next season. The tax hit is based on the roster at the end of the season, meaning it’s likely the Magic could make trades before then to lessen the financial burden.

Orlando should find relief in a new downtown arena that opens this year and creates new revenue streams. Smith also believes a roster that remains one of the deepest in the league is attractive for potential moves and doesn’t mortgage the Magic’s future.

“The fact that we have players that other teams want makes you pretty flexible,” Smith said. “Is it possible to give out contracts and move a little bit less money? Sure. My thing is you don’t want to take a step back with talent.”

At the very least, keeping Redick assures that.

The former Duke standout was the 11th overall pick in the 2006 draft. He struggled early in his NBA career but has become a significant contributor for the Magic.

So much so that Smith decided that Redick and recently signed small forward Quentin Richardson(notes) had more value than Matt Barnes(notes), who became a free agent after one season with Orlando. Smith said he never offered Barnes a deal and all but ruled out the small forward returning next season.

“It really came down to out of those three, which of the two do we bring in?” Smith said. “We like what Matt brought to the table, but sometimes you have to make decisions that’s best for your club long-term.”


and, are then made aware of the following information:


2003-2004, 2004-2005, 2005-2006, 2006-2007, 2007-2008, 2008-2009 and 2009-2010


Orlando vs Toronto

Isolating the performances of the Raptors and the Magic:



Toronto Raptors

Orlando Magic


















































































what you should be able to see is that both of these respective franchises have, in FACT, had a legitimate opportunity to build a first-class operation … starting from a lower tier position in the league 7 seasons ago; and, which has included the hiring of a new GM, along the way … focused on being able to compete for a NBA championship in the not-to-distant future.

To this point, however, only one has made significant head-way … and, a key question going forward for the other, then, becomes:

How many of the players expected to be on their roster next season actually fit into the “Just Winners” category, based upon their experience in the game, thus far?































Evans [PF]





Unfortunately for the Raptors, the correct answer, according to these eyes, is … quite possibly … as few as 3. 

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28 Responses to “Just winners, Raptors vs Magic perspective”

  1. hotshot Says:

    I think there are two critical moves that Orlando did better then Toronto in the past 6 years which got them where they are today. First move was drafting D-Howard (the best player in the draft) in the 2004 NBA draft first overall, while Toronto drafted Bargnani instead of Roy (the best player in the draft) in the 2006 draft thus the Raptors with Bosh and Roy together would have looked like the Portland TrailBlazers and would have had at least 50 wins together.

    Secondly the Magic hired a proven winner of an NBA coach in Stan Van Gundy and the Raptors opted to go with a rookie head coach one after another.

  2. Jim Says:

    What are you even trying to say with this long winded nonsensical post? Jose Calderon is a ‘just winner’ and Amir Johnson isn’t (the one guy on the team with a ring)? Based on what imaginary criteria? Yeah, Jose was a big time winner when he had that ‘injury’ and was too hurt to play in the most important games of the season, while somehow suiting up the next day and providing piss poor efforts against shit teams like Minnesota. He was a real winner when he let his opposition blow by him time and time again without any semblance of defensive effort.

    I gotta say, this post belongs in the ‘just losers’ category.

  3. Tinman Says:

    Khandor, begging for readership are we?

    I fail to see the point in your comparison. Besides provocation.

    Once again you shown that mentioning Raptors in the title will significantly increase your readership. You are predictable.

  4. khandor Says:


    Examples of key differences between the franchises would include the following:

    1. Rich DeVos [principal owner] vs MLSE;
    2. Otis Smith vs Bryan Colangelo;
    3. SVG vs Jay Triano;
    4. Howard vs Bargnani;
    5. Basketball decisions vs financial decisions; and,
    6. Winning the NBA championship vs winning regular season games.

    Until the Raptors change their operational paradigm, they will continue to be a highly profitable but decidedly treadmill-like team.

  5. khandor Says:


    “Long-winded”? Really?

    If you can count properly you will see that I have actually contributed fewer than 250 words in this entire blog entry.

    “Nonsensical”? Really?

    If you fail to see the connection[s] between these two franchises and, in particular, the different directions which they have each chosen to go, since the 2003-2004 season, then, unfortunately, this is none of my concern.

    Jose Calderon fits into the “Just winners” category and Amir Johnson does not?

    Well … if you count Amir riding the coattails of the other more experienced Pistons to the heights of the Eastern Conference standings, but choose to disregard Jose’s long-standing willingness to put the on-court success of his team above his own individual objectives, as a key member of the Raptors regular rotation for the last several seasons and the role he played with the championship-winning Spanish Men’s National Team, then, unfortunately this, too, is none of my concern.

    “Imaginary criteria”? Really?

    What’s clear from reading your comment is that you do not understand what Otis Smith is making reference to when he speaks of “pedigree” and the “DNA” associated with the best teams in the league from a purely basketball perspective.

    Unfortunately … as Otis points out in this article … “most people” don’t know enough about the game itself to pay close attention to this sort of stuff, in the first place.

    re: which players for the Raptors have given poor efforts and been victimized the most on the defensive end of the floor

    In fact, it strikes me as though you might be someone who is incapable of identifying correctly which specific player is at fault when a team gives up a basket and which ones are not, according to the different strategies and tactics being used by their coaching staff at a particular moment in time.

    re: Just winners vs Just losers

    In a discussion on this subject … based on what’ve written in your comment, above … I am happy to be in an opposite camp from you.

  6. khandor Says:


    re: “begging for readership are we”



    re: “I fail to see the point in your comparison. Besides provocation.”

    You fail to see the point in something which I’ve written?

    Nahhh? Really? That can’t possibly be the case? Can it?



    re: “Once again you shown [sic] that mentioning Raptors in the title will significantly increase your readership. You are predictable.”

    You’re a real piece of work, my friend.

    What was actually “the point” of you leaving this type of comment, in the first pace? ;)

  7. Jim Says:

    No, I understand full well what makes Orlando a much better team than Toronto. The thing is, you’ve used 250 words and a couple of charts to really say nothing of consequence at all. And if you think Jose Calderon shouldn’t take much of the blame for the Raptors’ defensive problems – along with Andrea Bargnani – then I really don’t think you’re paying attention to the games at all, let alone tracking each possession properly. And you can cite ‘the nba game is a game of pick and rolls’ and yadi yadi yadda, but that doesn’t negate the fact that Jose Calderon had easily the worst stop % on the team and was good for about a negative 2pts/possession by himself. When the team has to alter its defense to accommodate the weaknesses of one player, then you’re in big time trouble.

    Again, the fact that Jose Calderon chose to sit out games against top quality teams because he was too ‘injured’, yet was able to ‘go’ against the bottom dwellers during that exact same timespan (instead of healing), shows just what kind of leader this man is. A winner doesn’t leave his teammates hanging out to dry like this.

  8. khandor Says:


    With all due respect …

    1. re: “The thing is, you’ve used 250 words and a couple of charts to really say nothing of consequence at all.”

    Just because YOU might not understand “the consequence” of what this blog entry has to say … about:

    i. The operation of the Raptors vs the Magic;
    ii. What exactly Otis Smith uses to define “Just winners” vs “Just non-winners”; and,
    iii. Who Jose Calderon is as a more-than solid starting calibre PG for a contending team in the NBA;

    this does not mean that it is, in fact, without consequence.

    All it means is that it is without consequence to you. :-)

    2. re: “No, I understand full well what makes Orlando a much better team than Toronto”

    Although you might like to think that you do have a thorough understanding of this, based on what you’ve written in your comments in this thread, I would not be so sure about that, if I was asked to give my opinion on the topic.

    3. re: “if you think Jose Calderon shouldn’t take much of the blame for the Raptors’ defensive problems – along with Andrea Bargnani – then I really don’t think you’re paying attention to the games at all, let alone tracking each possession properly”

    It is important to be able to distinguish accurately between the performance of Andrea Bargnani and Jose Calderon … to wit:

    * Yes, Bargnani is to be blamed for a good portion of the Raptors’ deficiencies over the last few seasons … due to his poor play on this side of the ball, and in terms of rebounding, relative to that of his peers across the league.

    * No, Jose Calderon … although not a good defender by any stretch of the imagination … is not to be blamed for a good portion of the Raptors’ deficiencies over the last few seasons … because his poor play on this side of the ball is simply NOT inferior to that of his peers across the league, the majority of whom are equally inept when it comes to playing first-class NBA defense.

    i.e. there’s a big difference between what’s important defensively at the PG and C positions in the NBA.

    If you’re trying to use “advanced stats” to show how, and to what degree, “individual defense” is important at the PG spot in the NBA … e.g. “stop %”, LOL ;) … let me tell you that you are simply wasting your time.

    [e.g. please go and check the individual defensive ratings for the starting PG on the back-to-back NBA champions, and then try again to tell me how important these stats actually are]

    4. re: which games players choose to sit out when injured

    If you really think the Raptors’ training staff would allow a player … who the team has in excess of $25.0 M invested in … to make the decision about which specific games he will play and which games he will sit out, based on his “own perception” of which opponent is the weakest [and, therefore, he would suit up] vs the strongest [and, therefore, he would sit out], then, there really isn’t very much I have say about that … other than, from my perspective, that’s not actually how things work, at the highest level of competition, including in the NBA.

    Unless you are the player in question, or a member of the team’s training staff, then, it’s safe to say that you have no idea, whatsoever, the exact reason why a certain player was in the line-up for specific games and, then, out of the line-up for others.

    [NOTE: FWIW, neither do I ... since I am neither that specific player, nor a member of the training staff for his team. :-) ]

  9. Aaron Says:

    Courtesy of the TBJ site:

    “Eleven types of obnoxious basketball fans on the Internet…

    2. The Pessimist – As miserable as this fan usually is, you wonder why he bothers to root for his team or how he’s managed to avoid taking his own life by this point. Every win is meaningless because it’s only a matter of time before the season goes into a death spiral. This type of fan may actually be attracted to bad teams because they help validate their natural state of mind.”

    I understand that you, quite reasonably, don’t agree with the direction this team has taken in its short history, but your constant negativity is irritating and predictable. I know that you think you’re being a “real fan”, but mix it up a bit, brother. Is there anything positive to which you can apply your analytical skills? Anything at all?

  10. Brain Colangelo Says:


    WTHDTEM (what the heck does that even mean)?

  11. khandor Says:


    1. Welcome aboard! :-)

    2. Have you not payed attention to the positive things I’ve had to say about the likes of:

    i. Chris Bosh
    ii. Jose Calderon
    iii. DeMar DeRozan
    iv. Marco Belinelli
    v. Rasho Nesterovic
    vi. Anthony Parker
    vii. Jamario Moon
    viii. Kris Humphries
    ix. Sam Mitchell
    x. Wayne Embry

    over the last several years?

    What should be obvious to the unbiased observer, by now, is that I no more fit properly into the “pessimist” category of typical Raptors fan than I do into the “optimist” category.

    3. re: my constant negativity?

    The fact that each of those 10 people listed above have been mis-used by the Raptors during their respective tenures with the team … and largely had their talents wasted, as a result … is the fault of the Raptors organization, not due to any improperly perceived “negativity” on my part, or others like me.

    IMO, it is a crying shame that the Raptors have consistently and repeatedly wasted their opportunities to build a championship calibre organizatio, in spite of the plethora of resources available to them in this market.

    The fact is …

    When the Raptors do things properly, then, this is precisely what I write about their team.

    If/when, however, the Raptors do things in the wrong way, then, that is precisely what I write about their team … especially, if/when I have already taken the time to spell out in detail in this space what they SHOULD ACTUALLY BE DOING NEXT, before they actually do it, if they are sincerely interested in building a championship calibre team … and what the Raptors do instead is the exact opposite, with disasterous short and long results, e.g. trading TJ Ford and Rasho Nesterovic and Roy Hibbert for Jermaine O’Neal and Nathan Jawai; and, then, trading Jermaine O’Neal and Jamario Moon and their 2011/1st Round Draft Pick for Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks; and, then, trading Shawn Marion and Kris Humphries and Nathan Jawai for Hedo Turkoglu, Antoine Wright and Devean George; and, then, trading Hedo Turkoglu for Leandro Barbosa and Dwayne Jones.

    4. re: saying more positive things about the Raptors

    If the quality of the Raptors’ decision-making ever improves then I will have a lot more fun writing about their on-court successes than the litany of their past and current failures.

    This is not up to me, however; this is up to the individuals responsible for the day-to-day operation of their team.

  12. khandor Says:



    Why, of course … Rolling on the floor laughing out loud while kicking and screaming. ;)

  13. Aaron Says:


    No man, you actually do fit into the pessimist category. For example, last season there was a sizable sample of games from January to February before the all-star break which saw the Raptors peak at 31-24; hot on the heels of the Boston Celtics for fourth place in the Eastern Conference.

    It would seem reasonable that an unbiased, neutral observer, which you claim to be, would have an equal amount of blog-posts dedicated to Raptor success in good times as the amount of blog-posts dedicated to Raptor ineptness in times of failure.

    A quick look at the history of this blog; however, shows that in those 2 months of moderate success your blog was far below its average rate of postings per month compared to the rest of the NBA regular season. Furthermore, quick look at the content posted in those 2 months shows an almost complete silence on anything Raptor related.

    Compare this to April when the wheels are coming off and things are getting especially negative. A quick look at the amount and content of the posts in this month shows you back to your regular amount of posts with a majority related to the Raptors again. Highlights of this sample are shown in the following blog-post titles:

    Why the Raptors will always be losers

    Bryan Colangelo’s biggest mistakes with the Raptors

    Scathing indictment of Bryan Colangelo’s Raptors

    Why the contrast? Where was the Raptor related analysis during those 2 months of success? The fact is, that the adage: “if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all” seems to work in a reverse manner on this blog.

    Pessimism: the tendency to see, anticipate, or emphasize only bad or undesirable outcomes, results, conditions, problems, etc.

  14. lessthanzero Says:

    Ottis Smith traded for Vince Carter.


    I think that’s the first hole in your argument.

    I won’t continue to point out where you’re drowning, as many others who have posted have already done so… but the FACT remains… you continuously confuse FACT with OPINION and no one likes to read an post that carries the tone of a know it all who is enlightening the those left in the basketball dark ages.

    Change your tone and recognize that you are writing an option.

    Opinion are like ass holes… everyone has one and they all stink.

  15. khandor Says:


    1. Welcome aboard.

    2. Did I say that Otis Smith considers each of the players on his team to fit into the “Just winners” category?

    Did I say that he considers Wince Carter to be a “Just winners”?

    Hole in my argument?
    Not knowing the difference between fact and opinion?

    LOL, :-)

    3. re: the odiferous nature of certain opinions

    It could well be the case that your expertise in this area extends only to the nature of your own opines.

  16. khandor Says:


    re: the Raptors peaked at 31-24

    Do you know what a mirage is?

    The facts, my friend, are these:

    i. Before the season started I said that, if Bosh leaves Toronto this summer, it will be because he no longer has faith in Bryan Colangelo’s ability to build a championship calibre team in Toronto;

    ii. Before the season started I said that the Raptors would be life and death to make the playoffs last year;

    iii. When the team hit its high water mark, and was thought to be “chasing 4th place” in the eyes of some, I wrote that they were probably going to fade in the 2nd half of the season, based on the change in the quality of teams they were scheduled to face in the latter half of the season and the expected improvement of the other teams in the Eastern Conference, via trades and the return to health of certain key players;

    iv. Prior to Bosh breaking his face, I said that the Raptors should still be able to capture the 8th playoff spot in the East, because that’s where their actual talent level was situated, relative to their competition;

    Now, please go ahead and tell me exactly what I was wrong and/or pessimistic about concerning the performance of last year’s Raptors team?

  17. hateslosing Says:

    Just Winners:
    Calderon: I agree with this, he brings the right mentality and when healthy is an elite point guard. With the injury he is still capable of being a back up on a contender.

    Barbosa: He has a history of winning and being an important part of a great Suns team. While they never won a title they did contend every season and I think that shouldn’t be taken away from him.

    Kleiza: Not absolutely sure about this, but he did win the Euro league with the Olymiacos as the top scorer, so I’m going to put him here.

    Not Sure/Potentially:
    The Rookies, DeRozen, Weems, Amir, Bellineli, Bargnani

    These are all players that are still very young and I think it is too early to judge whether or not they will end up as winners or losers. Bargnani just confuses me, so I’ll put him here too.

    Career Losers: Everyone else you listed, and I think the only one that needs explanation is Jack.

    Jack: While he isn’t bad, his mood swings and the fact he has never played on a payoff team over the course of his career lead me to believe that he will never go anywhere in this league.

  18. Aaron Says:


    You can reframe the question all you like, but your unwillingness or inability to answer my above questions is telling.

    Look, I don’t mean this as a personal attack, and I often enjoy reading your posts, but they do have an overly negative feel to them, whether your willing to admit it or not. Even when, as you say, you speak positively about certain former Raptors it is usually (but not always) inside of negative, critical posts. I can and do appreciate descent, but at the end of the day its just a basketball team, brother, and people who follow it want to read something, anything, positive once in a while.

    You say you like DeMar DeRozen, OK, that’s a good start. Now that you’ve successfully pointed out that the Raptors pale in comparison to the Orlando Magic, why don’t you focus on something a little more positive for a change. For example, the Raptors just went 5-0 in Summer League, obviously that doesn’t mean much, but we did see some great play from Sonny and Demar, and Ed Davis is also looking like he will be a very nice piece.

    So please, just this once, write something that isn’t all doom-and-gloom for a team and its fans who just lost one of the franchises most beloved players. Because I’ve got news for you, the fans are the people reading here; Bryan Colangelo does not read this site.

  19. lessthanzero Says:

    1 – To follow the crutch you seem to use whenever you are challenged… I never said my opinions didn’t stink. I just admitted to them and didn’t try to hide behind pretty charts and graphs to give the illusion of FACT.

    2 – Yes, you also never said Vince Carter in your post, but you cherry picked the term “just winners” and that term infers ONLY winners. No? If you are going to take a quote and manipulate it to your end, then be prepared to follow it through.

    You also fail to recognize that “just winners” is subjective. What Otis Smith consider being a winning attitude, RC Buford might not… in fact, look at Hedo… San Antonio didn’t want him back, but had you written this post last year you might have included Hedo in the list of “just winners” on the Magic.

    What has Howard done aside from sculpt a personable public image? He’s demonstrating that he’s a regular season performer who can be shut down in the playoffs. And Howard didn’t have a winning pedigree before entering the NBA.

    Adam Morrison has 2 rings. 2 rings! Does that him, the man in street clothes, a winner?

    DeMarr took USC to the PAC10 title and won MVP honours, yet that doesn’t show up in your “analysis”.

    I could go on and on through the Raps and Magic rosters. If you are going to cherry pick something as subjective as “just winners”, present it as though it’s a scientific thesis that can be proved, then you’ll continue to miss the human element of the NBA. The element that makes you want to cheer, instead of raining on the parade.

    The Raps just went undefeated in summer. There’s a winner, right?

  20. khandor Says:


    re: Barbosa

    Although I’ve always had a sincere appreciation for what the “Brazilian Blur” brings to the table, his rep has never been one of making personal sacrifices for the benefit of the team and the placing individual success above team accomplishments … which is not to say that he’s been described as a selfish player in the past but only that he has not necessarily been best described as a patently unselfish team player [first and foremost] with “the DNA of a winner”.


    re: Kleiza

    In sharp contrast, his rep has been that of a selfish player who thinks that he is a better scorer than he actually … at least, at the highest levels of competition.


    re: the team’s current crop of youngsters not named Ed Davis

    Until someone has actually done something to be categorized as a person with the DNA of a winner then, unfortunately, they need to be cast in the not-yet-a-winner category.

    [PLEASE NOTE: Although this may not be the way we like it in life; it is certainly the way it is.]


    re: Jack

    I agree with your observation.

  21. khandor Says:


    1. These are the 2 questions which you asked:

    i. Why the contrast?

    ii. Where was the Raptor related analysis during those 2 months of success?

    In response, I asked you if you happen to know what a mirage is?

    It’s interesting that you chose not to answer my question in return.

    If you know what a mirage is … then, you would know that it makes little-to-no-sense to waste time and resources analyzing something which is fake [and in one sense not even "there" in the first place].

    2. If you really do enjoy reading what I write from time to then, from my perspective, that’s a good thing.

    3. If, on the other hand, you find what I write at times to be on the negative side of things, then, all I can suggest is that … for both our sakes … hopefully the Raptors will start to make more personnel moves which I consider to be sound.

    4. re: DeRozan

    He has the chance to become a very good Off Guard, if he gets:

    i. The right sort of PT;
    ii. First-class coaching;


    iii. Is used in the right way … i.e. at the OG position;

    which are observations which I’ve already made in the past.

    5. re: summer league W’s

    These are virtually meaningless.

    I do not write blog entries about meaningless things … despite what some might think. :-)

    6. re: good offensive transition play from Weems and DeRozan

    These are known commodities already … or, at least, they should be.

    What they each needed to show in these games is increased physical strength, presence and awareness, plus improved mental acuity, in areas like:

    i. Half-court offensive situations, when executing specific plays, with specific option reads;
    ii. Defensive situations [i.e. half-court and in transition]; and,
    iii. Rebounding situations.

    From an offensive skills perspective, they both needed to demonstrate:

    iv. Improved half-court dribble-penetration ability; and,
    v. A more consistent stroke from 3PT range.

    Have they demonstrated these things yet, according to what you saw from them in summer league play?

    [... because they have not, according to the limited action which I saw]

    7. re: Ed Davis, thus far

    He played well, IMO. There should be little doubt that he is going to be a solid NBA player for years to-come. Time will tell, however, if he is capable of becoming more than that … as he does not yet appear to have the package of skills which will easily translate into becoming a star player at this level of competition.

    8. re: Who reads this blog?

    The factual answer to this question might surprise you. :-)

  22. khandor Says:


    1. Please re-read what I wrote before.

    Did I say that you said your own opines stink?

    Here, in fact, is what I wrote before:

    re: the odiferous nature of certain opinions

    It could well be the case that your expertise in this area extends only to the nature of your own opines.

    If you’re going to critique what I wrote then, perhaps, you should make proper reference to what I actually wrote … not your interpretation of what I wrote, or what I did not actually write, in the first place.

    The person who is mixing up fact and opinion here is someone other than me.

    2. Ahh, no, the term “Just winners” does not refer to an opinion of mine that Otis Smith has selected ONLY winners to be on the Magic’s squad.

    In fact, my specific opinion is that:

    i. No one makes perfect decisions, each and every time, including Otis Smith;

    ii. Orlando’s current roster contains a combination of “Just winners” and other “Non winners”;


    iii. According to Otis Smith, JJ Redick has demonstrated that he fits properly into the “Just winners” category, based on what he has done to this point in his life.

    If you’d like to know what other players on the Magic I feel might fit into this category, according to the thinking of a GM like Otis Smith, I will gladly tell you. All you have to do, first, is ask. :-)

    3. re: what I thought of Hedo with Orlando

    I don’t think you have a clue what my opinion is on that.

    4. re: what I think of Dwight Howard

    I don’t think you have a clue what my opinion is about him.

    5. re: what I think of Adam Morrison

    I don’t think you have a clue what my opinion is about him.

    6. re: DeMar DeRozan

    I suggest you read what I’ve written thus far in my blog entries about him.

    7. re: cherry picking, what constitutes the human element and the value of going 5-0 in summer league

    You are free to hold whatever opinions you wish about these matters.

    From my perspective, however, know that I happen not to share those opinions with you.

  23. Aaron Says:


    1, Sorry, I thought that was a rhetorical question. Yes, I know what a mirage is. However, with wins against the Heat, Spurs, Magic, Mavericks, and Lakers, in the month of January, one wonders if you couldn’t have come up with something.

    2, Yes, I really do.

    3, Fair enough.

    4-5, Agreed.

    6, No, they haven’t. You’re right, hard to take much away from Vegas.

    7, Yes, Ed looked good out there, especially after not having played for such a long time. I’ll bet you he’s an all-star before Luke Babbitt…and if I win, you write an article entitled “Bryan Colangelo, How I Love Thee, Let me Count the Ways.” Deal?

    8, Hmmm…I doubt I’d be that surprised. And BRAIN Colangelo doesn’t count.

    Well, I’ll give you this: at least you’re consistent. And you always respond to your readers. I suppose those are 2 pretty positive traits.

  24. I hate haters Says:

    Damn, you’re a smug, arrogant prick, Khandor – I don’t know why anyone bothers reading your trash-blog or commenting… Must be the fact that its off-season and everyone’s jonesing for anything NBA-related.

    Your opinions are just that – you don’t provide any evidence backing them up, then attack those leaving comments for pointing that out. And identifying “Just Winners”? WTF is that all about? What does that even mean?

    You fail.

  25. khandor Says:


    1. I appreciate the time you took to write your responses to items #1-7; as well as the tone you used.

    2. re: #8

    At this point in time, I am not prepared to say something like this:

    “The fact is no one connected with the Raptors organization, or Bryan Colangelo, himself, actually reads this blog.”

    And, if this is the case, as the person who operates this blog, I fail to see how anyone who does not operate this blog, or is not Bryan Colangelo himself, could … at least, with any degree of certainty … make an observation which reads like this one:

    “Bryan Colangelo does not read this site.”

    The world is an increasingly smaller place, and the reality of Six Degrees of Separation has never been more accurate than it is today.


    PS. As well, thanks for appreciating the time it takes to respond to those you make the effort to leave a worthwhile comment here.

  26. khandor Says:


    Unfortunately, individuals like yourself are what give “blog comments” a bad name.

    As I’ve said before …

    Individuals mixing up fact and opinion here are not me.

    The fact is …

    i. When I give a fact, in general, it’s a fact;


    ii. When I give my opinion, in general, it’s exactly that, my opinion … sometimes based, at least, in part, on facts, and other times on other pieces of information which others may, or may not have access to, or be in agreement with.


    Please go ahead and point out where you feel I have attacked someone for disagreeing with something which I’ve had to say.


    If you’ve taken the time to click on the related link and read the entire article on JJ Redick’s re-signing with the Orlando Magic, and the specific comments made by their GM, then, you should already have a good idea what/who Otis Smith considers to be a “Just winner” on his current roster.

    However, by the sound of what you’ve written in your comment here, it does not appear to be the case that you have actually taken the time to do this yet.


    re: you fail

    LOL, :-)

  27. FLUXLAND Says:


    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: You patience knows no bounds.
    Hats off, again, Sir!


  28. khandor Says:


    Thank you for the kind words.


    PS. Currently, in the middle of a very nice run, in MLB. At the end of the day, makes putting up with certain “visitors” here a little bit easier. ;)

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