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		<title>By: Scott G</title>
		<link>http://khandorssportsblog.com/wordpress/2009/11/29/ominous-words-in-raptorville/#comment-7162</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your POV here...  JT's comments seem to almost place the blame on CB4 for not being more upset with his teammates (!!) than on his teammates for not supporting him.

I think you misinterpreted brothersteve's comment -- I think he means to say that where a team's focus is NOT winning, but rather some tertiary objective, that team tends not to come together with the same passion as does a team focused on winning.  So, while this group of raps might "hope CB4 doesn't leave," that sentiment, in itself, is not enough to spur the bench out of its seats and onto the court without hesitation (i.e. in a moment of passion about a teammate).  Being fully committed to winning, on the other hand, might/should/is enough to spur that reaction.  But, that's just my interpretation of what someone else said...

The loss to PHX was a sorry display of indifferent basketball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your POV here&#8230;  JT&#8217;s comments seem to almost place the blame on CB4 for not being more upset with his teammates (!!) than on his teammates for not supporting him.</p>
<p>I think you misinterpreted brothersteve&#8217;s comment &#8212; I think he means to say that where a team&#8217;s focus is NOT winning, but rather some tertiary objective, that team tends not to come together with the same passion as does a team focused on winning.  So, while this group of raps might &#8220;hope CB4 doesn&#8217;t leave,&#8221; that sentiment, in itself, is not enough to spur the bench out of its seats and onto the court without hesitation (i.e. in a moment of passion about a teammate).  Being fully committed to winning, on the other hand, might/should/is enough to spur that reaction.  But, that&#8217;s just my interpretation of what someone else said&#8230;</p>
<p>The loss to PHX was a sorry display of indifferent basketball.</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
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		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brothersteve,

re: &lt;i&gt;There have been some very disconcerting statements being made around the Raps.&lt;/i&gt;

Agreed.

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re: &lt;i&gt;The “contract year” issues may have over-taken the coaches and players.&lt;/i&gt;

I'm not in agreement with this perspective. Dealing effectively with contract situations like Chris Bosh's are an everyday occurrence in the business of the NBA.

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re: &lt;i&gt;The team needs to be a team - not a group hoping Chris Bosh doesn’t want to leave. That is a situation for players not giving a sh1t when someone gets knocked down.&lt;/i&gt;

"a group hoping that Chris Bosh doesn't want to leave" would CHOOSE "to pick him up whenever he gets knocked down to the floor" ... so I don't see the applicability of that comparison at all, unless of course you are asserting that this specific group of players might actually NOT WANT Chris Bosh to be retained by the Raptors, which would account for the fact that they left him on the floor, in the first place.

I do not agree that this is what this group of players happens to be thinking about Chris Bosh's future status with the team.

IMO, Bryan Colangelo has simply assembled an ill-advised collection of players and coaches which has poor team cohesion ... in a similar way to the group from the 2007-2008 season that finished 41-41.

Putting a championship calibre basketball team together is a much more difficult task than many people truly understand.

IMO, neither Bryan nor Jerry Colangelo has been very good at it over their years in the NBA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brothersteve,</p>
<p>re: <i>There have been some very disconcerting statements being made around the Raps.</i></p>
<p>Agreed.</p>
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<p>re: <i>The “contract year” issues may have over-taken the coaches and players.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not in agreement with this perspective. Dealing effectively with contract situations like Chris Bosh&#8217;s are an everyday occurrence in the business of the NBA.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>re: <i>The team needs to be a team - not a group hoping Chris Bosh doesn’t want to leave. That is a situation for players not giving a sh1t when someone gets knocked down.</i></p>
<p>&#8220;a group hoping that Chris Bosh doesn&#8217;t want to leave&#8221; would CHOOSE &#8220;to pick him up whenever he gets knocked down to the floor&#8221; &#8230; so I don&#8217;t see the applicability of that comparison at all, unless of course you are asserting that this specific group of players might actually NOT WANT Chris Bosh to be retained by the Raptors, which would account for the fact that they left him on the floor, in the first place.</p>
<p>I do not agree that this is what this group of players happens to be thinking about Chris Bosh&#8217;s future status with the team.</p>
<p>IMO, Bryan Colangelo has simply assembled an ill-advised collection of players and coaches which has poor team cohesion &#8230; in a similar way to the group from the 2007-2008 season that finished 41-41.</p>
<p>Putting a championship calibre basketball team together is a much more difficult task than many people truly understand.</p>
<p>IMO, neither Bryan nor Jerry Colangelo has been very good at it over their years in the NBA.</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
		<link>http://khandorssportsblog.com/wordpress/2009/11/29/ominous-words-in-raptorville/#comment-7146</link>
		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stevezy,

re: &lt;i&gt;"Two Words:

Doc Rivers."&lt;/i&gt;

Please go ahead and explain further what you mean by these cryptic words.

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re: &lt;i&gt;"But seriously, try to avoid blanket statements like the ones you’ve written above. You have a point, but this post is written with such an obvious lack of objectivity that you just end up undermining yourself."&lt;/i&gt;

According to you ...

What blanket statements did I make above?

What about what I wrote indicates a lack of objectivity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stevezy,</p>
<p>re: <i>&#8220;Two Words:</p>
<p>Doc Rivers.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Please go ahead and explain further what you mean by these cryptic words.</p>
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<p>re: <i>&#8220;But seriously, try to avoid blanket statements like the ones you’ve written above. You have a point, but this post is written with such an obvious lack of objectivity that you just end up undermining yourself.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>According to you &#8230;</p>
<p>What blanket statements did I make above?</p>
<p>What about what I wrote indicates a lack of objectivity?</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
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		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eyebleaf,

1. I'm not picking on Triano at all.

2. What I said identified only that the words which Jay Triano used to discuss this matter in public are NOT the type of words which a Top Notch NBA head coach would have used.

i. Top Notch NBA head coaches are aware of everything that happens with their team.

ii. Those same coaches do NOT speak in terms of hypotheticals.

i.e. "If I was _ _ _ _  _ _ _ _, I would ..."

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If you do not realize the ramifications of having a head coach who says stuff like THAT then this tells me that you are not someone who has ever played or coached the game at a very high level yourself.

PS. Feel free to correct me, if I happen to be wrong about that reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eyebleaf,</p>
<p>1. I&#8217;m not picking on Triano at all.</p>
<p>2. What I said identified only that the words which Jay Triano used to discuss this matter in public are NOT the type of words which a Top Notch NBA head coach would have used.</p>
<p>i. Top Notch NBA head coaches are aware of everything that happens with their team.</p>
<p>ii. Those same coaches do NOT speak in terms of hypotheticals.</p>
<p>i.e. &#8220;If I was _ _ _ _  _ _ _ _, I would &#8230;&#8221;</p>
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<p>If you do not realize the ramifications of having a head coach who says stuff like THAT then this tells me that you are not someone who has ever played or coached the game at a very high level yourself.</p>
<p>PS. Feel free to correct me, if I happen to be wrong about that reality.</p>
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		<title>By: brothersteve</title>
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		<dc:creator>brothersteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been some very disconcerting statements being made around the Raps.

The "contract year" issues may have over-taken the coaches and players.

The team needs to be a team - not a group hoping Chris Bosh doesn't want to leave.  That is a situation for players not giving a sh1t when someone gets knocked down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been some very disconcerting statements being made around the Raps.</p>
<p>The &#8220;contract year&#8221; issues may have over-taken the coaches and players.</p>
<p>The team needs to be a team - not a group hoping Chris Bosh doesn&#8217;t want to leave.  That is a situation for players not giving a sh1t when someone gets knocked down.</p>
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		<title>By: stevezy</title>
		<link>http://khandorssportsblog.com/wordpress/2009/11/29/ominous-words-in-raptorville/#comment-7131</link>
		<dc:creator>stevezy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two Words:

Doc Rivers.

But seriously, try to avoid blanket statements like the ones you've written above. You have a point, but this post is written with such an obvious lack of objectivity that you just end up undermining yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two Words:</p>
<p>Doc Rivers.</p>
<p>But seriously, try to avoid blanket statements like the ones you&#8217;ve written above. You have a point, but this post is written with such an obvious lack of objectivity that you just end up undermining yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: eyebleaf</title>
		<link>http://khandorssportsblog.com/wordpress/2009/11/29/ominous-words-in-raptorville/#comment-7129</link>
		<dc:creator>eyebleaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the hell are you picking on Triano for the train-wreck that was the Pierce on Bosh slam? If Triano's words are what bothers you most, well, that's just plain f****** up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the hell are you picking on Triano for the train-wreck that was the Pierce on Bosh slam? If Triano&#8217;s words are what bothers you most, well, that&#8217;s just plain f****** up.</p>
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