Where and how exactly the Pistons lost last night’s game vs the Raptors
Detroit Pistons 99
TORONTO RAPTORS 110
Wed Nov 04 2009 - Game Scoreboard
After battling back from a 17 point 3rd quarter deficit to take a 1 point lead mid-way through the 4th frame, the Pistons then came unglued during a key stretch of 4:25 which, ultimately, sealed their fate in this game:
Line-ups
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Time |
Team |
PG |
OG |
SF |
PF |
C |
SCORE |
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Q4 |
Det |
Calderon |
Jack |
Turkoglu |
Bosh |
Bargnani |
91 |
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07:13 |
TOR |
Bynum |
Gordon |
Stuckey |
Maxiell |
Daye |
90 |
Play-By-Play
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4th Quarter |
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#1,+ Daye/+1 |
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07:13 |
Turkoglu Layup Shot: Missed Block: Daye (2 BLK) |
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Daye Rebound (Off:0 Def:3) |
07:11 |
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07:07 |
Bosh Foul : Shooting (1 PF) |
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#2,- Maxiell/-1 |
Maxiell Free Throw 1 of 2 Missed |
07:07 |
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Team Rebound |
07:07 |
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#2,- Maxiell/-2 |
Maxiell Free Throw 2 of 2 Missed |
07:07 |
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07:07 |
Turkoglu Rebound (Off:1 Def:3) |
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#1,- Daye/0 |
Daye Foul : Personal (3 PF) |
06:52 |
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#3,- Bynum/-1 |
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06:40 |
Calderon 3pt Shot: Made (9 PTS) Assist: Bosh (1 AST) |
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#1,- Daye/-1 |
Daye 3pt Shot: Missed |
06:18 |
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06:17 |
Bosh Rebound (Off:1 Def:5) |
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06:08 |
Calderon Pullup Jump shot: Missed |
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#3,+ Bynum/0 |
Bynum Rebound (Off:0 Def:3) |
06:06 |
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#3,+ Bynum/+1 |
Bynum Driving Layup Shot: Made (15 PTS) |
05:58 |
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#2,- Maxiell/-3 |
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05:41 |
Bosh Jump Hook Shot: Made (22 PTS) Assist: Calderon (1 AST) |
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Timeout : Official |
05:22 |
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#3,- Kuester/-1 |
Maxiell Substitution replaced by Wallace |
05:22 |
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#4,- Stuckey/-1 |
Stuckey Jump Shot: Missed |
05:16 |
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05:15 |
Bosh Rebound (Off:1 Def:6) |
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#1,- Daye/-2 |
Daye Foul : Shooting (4 PF) |
05:01 |
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05:01 |
Bargnani Free Throw 1 of 2 (17 PTS) |
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05:01 |
Bargnani Free Throw 2 of 2 (18 PTS) |
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#1,- Daye/-3 |
Daye Running Bank shot: Missed |
04:41 |
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04:39 |
Turkoglu Rebound (Off:1 Def:4) |
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#1,- Daye/-4 |
Daye Foul : Personal (5 PF) |
04:33 |
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04:33 |
Bargnani Free Throw 1 of 2 (19 PTS) |
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04:33 |
Bargnani Free Throw 2 of 2 (20 PTS) |
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#4,- Stuckey/-2 |
Stuckey Driving Layup Shot: Missed |
04:09 |
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#4,+ Stuckey/-1 |
Stuckey Rebound (Off:2 Def:7) |
04:08 |
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#4,- Stuckey/-2 |
Stuckey Tip Shot: Missed |
04:06 |
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#5,+ Wallace/+1 |
Wallace Rebound (Off:4 Def:4) |
04:05 |
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#5,- Wallace/0 |
Wallace Layup Shot: Missed |
04:04 |
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#4,+ Stuckey/-1 |
Stuckey Rebound (Off:3 Def:7) |
04:04 |
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#3,- Kuester/-2 |
Daye Substitution replaced by Villanueva |
04:04 |
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Jump Ball Bosh vs Stuckey (Bargnani gains possession) |
04:04 |
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#4,- Stuckey/-2 |
Stuckey Turnover : Lost Ball (1 TO) Steal:Bosh (2 ST) |
04:04 |
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#3,- Kuester/-3 |
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03:47 |
Turkoglu Pullup Jump shot: Made (14 PTS) |
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Team Timeout : Regular |
03:45 |
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#6,+ Villanueva/+1 |
Villanueva Running Jump Shot: Made (16 PTS) |
03:27 |
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#6,- Villanueva/0 |
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03:06 |
Bargnani Pullup Jump shot: Made (22 PTS) Assist: Jack (6 AST) |
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#6,- Villanueva/-1 |
Villanueva Turnover : Bad Pass (2 TO) |
02:46 |
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Individual Good/Bad
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PISTONS |
GOOD |
BAD |
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#1 Jason Maxiell/-3 |
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- missed FT - missed FT |
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#2 Austin Daye/-5 |
- 1 BS |
- PF - PF/2 made FT’s - 1 missed corner 3 |
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#3 Will Bynum/0 |
- 1 DRb |
- cover down on Bosh = Calderon’s made 3 |
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#4 John Kuester/-3 |
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- Subbed Maxiell w/Wallace - Subbed Daye w/Villanueva |
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#5 Rodney Stuckey/-2 |
- ORb |
- 1 missed jumper - 1 missed driving layup - 1 missed tip shot - 1 TO |
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#6 Ben Wallace/0 |
- 1 ORb |
- 1 missed layup |
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#7 Charlie Villanueva/-1 |
- 1 made running jumper |
- bit early on shot-fake 1 dribble jumper by Bargnani - 1 TO |
LES FAUX PAS DES PISTONS
1. Ben Gordon’s individual game stat line from last night looked like this:
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POS |
MP |
FGM-FGA |
2FGM-2FGA |
3FGM-3FGA |
FTM-FTA |
+/- |
ORb |
DRb |
TRb |
AST |
PF |
ST |
TO |
BS |
BA |
PTS |
KPM |
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GORDON |
G |
45:30 |
10-19 |
8-14 |
2-5 |
8-9 |
-3 |
0 |
2 |
2 |
4 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
30 |
+23 |
yet, during this stretch of 4:25 in the 4th quarter … with the outcome of the game still in doubt … he did not have the opportunity to shoot the ball even 1 time.
2. When the Raptors made 3 substitution at the 8:42 mark of the 4th quarter … i.e. replacing Amir Johnson with Jose Calderon/PG, Marco Belinelli with Hedo Turkoglu/SF, and Demar DeRozan with Chris Bosh/PF; while leaving Jarrett Jack/OG and Andrea Bargnani/C on the floor … and the Pistons responded with a made 3-PT shot [vs Bargnani/Jack] and a driving layup by Bynum [vs Turkoglu] to re-gain the lead [91-90], John Kuester fell asleep at the switch and decided to continue with the same 5-man unit he had on the floor at the 7:22 mark when Jason Maxiell was called for a PF vs Chris Bosh [defending on the Left Block with the aid of a solid cover down by Rodney Stuckey].
At that precise point in the game John Kuester missed the opportunity to re-work the Pistons’ line-up so that:
* Jason Maxiell was not assigned to cover Chris Bosh
* Austin Daye was not assigned to cover Andrea Bargnani
* Rodney Stuckey was not assigned to cover Hedo Turkoglu
* Ben Gordon was not assigned to cover Jarrett jack
and,
* Will Bynum was not assigned to cover Jose Calderon.
If John Kuester would have made the following subs, instead:
Stuckey vs Calderon
Gordon vs Jack
Villanueva [replacing Bynum] vs Turkoglu
Maxiell vs Bargnani
Wallace [replacing Daye] vs Bosh
… the Pistons would have been in a much better situation, based on the individual match-ups on the floor, at that time, and would in all likelihood, have been able to fight the Raptors down to the last possession of the game.
3. Instead of making those exact subs at that specific point in the game, John Kuester waited for:
i. Chris Bosh to face-up first Maxiell [Right Block], draw the weak cover down from Bynum [who, at less than 6'0, is useless as a cover down defender], kick-out to Jose Calderon … who buried a huge 3-ball [6:40], to give the Raptors the lead, once again [93-91]; and,
ii. Chris Bosh to re-post vs Maxiell [Right Block], then attack middle with a made jump-hook [5:41, on another weak [late] cover down from Will Bynum;
before he replaced Maxiell with Wallace [vs Bosh], and,
iii. A jump-ball to occur [4:04] before replacing Daye with Villanueva.
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An old coaching bromide that says,
“Players win games in basketball; but, sometimes, coaches can lose them.”
Last night’s final outcome for the Pistons was a prime example of the latter situation … even though Detroit was forced to play without 2 veteran starters, i.e. Rip Hamilton [OG] and Tayshaun Prince [SF], in the 2nd bill of a back-to-back.
Full marks to the Raptors [2-2], however, for seizing upon these gaffes by Detroit … i.e. specifically, Will Bynum/PG and John Kuester/Head Coach … to win a crucial game, from their perspective, as they now head out on the road for 7 of their next 8 contests.
Tags: Amir Johnson, Andrea Bargnani, Antoine Wright, Austin Daye, Ben Gordon, Ben Wallace, Charlie Villanueva, Chris Bosh, Chris Wilcox, Chucky Atkins, DaJuan Summers, Dear DeRozan, Detroit Pistons, Hedo Turkoglu, Jarrett Jack, Jason Maxiell, John Kuester, Jonas Jerebko, Jose Calderon, Kwame Brown, Marco Belinelli, Marcus Banks, Patrick O'Bryant, Rasho Nesterovic, Rodney Stuckey, Toronto Raptors, Will Bynum
November 5th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Khandor - great analysis! I really liked the presentation as well - very clear.
I think you’re bang on. There was information that Charlie V was battling an illness - but having Daye in the game instead of Wallace was a head scratcher. Keep up the great work.
What did you think of Wright’s defense last night? Would you play him more - perhaps even start him?
November 5th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
I think the only substitution I would quibble with is CV at SF … I liked the way Jonas covered him early in the game.
I also think that Stuckey sucked last night … Bynum led the charge early in the 4th, and I would have ridden him … but I would have run sets for Gordon, to be sure.
Bynum
Gordon
Jonas
CV
Wallace
So, essentially our starters - Stuckey, who again, played dismal basketball last night as he has all season.
Even so, the Raptors made some key plays late in the 4th — I think you might be underestimating the importance of that.
November 5th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
One last thing — I do not like having Stuckey and Bynum out there together. I think that’s one area where we definitely agree. That just makes for ugly basketball.
November 5th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Tom L,
Thanks for the kind words.
Antoine Wright is an effective NBA player, if he’s used in a highly specific role. His best attributes are defending and rebounding at the #2/OG position.
It would be a stretch, however, to classify him as being particularly “good” at any one thing.
With this current Raptors team, I would elect to use him off the bench … exclusively, in a 3-player rotation with DeRozan [OG-SF] and Turkoglu [SF].
November 5th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
brgulker,
Although I like Jonas, as well, he shouldn’t be used in critical situations just yet … given his lack of offense … against a player like Turkoglu.
Stuckey had a difficult night shooting the ball, but … as an effective PG, in the NBA game … he was still much better than Bynum last night.
If you do not see how this observation could be true then it’s because you are not paying close enough attention yet to the Defensive and Rebounding phases of the game.
i.e. What Bynum keyed last night … was another loss for the Pistons.
The key plays … or, in this case, mis-plays … of last night’s game were made by John Kuester and Will Bynum, not by members of the Toronto Raptors, who merely did their jobs by taking good advantage of what exactly Detroit’s coach and PG, at the time, GAVE them at crunch time.
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PS. From a purely basketball standpoint, there is nothing wrong with using Bynum [PG] and Stuckey [OG] together. The only problem for that combination comes about when they’re on the floor together with the composition of the Pistons’ current roster … and, how THAT serves to WASTE the talents of Detroit’s other better/best players, e.g. Rip, Ben, and Tay.
November 6th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Nice analysis!
I think Daye might be the only NBA player that Bargs can push around.
November 10th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Scott G.,
1. Thanks for the compliment.
2. Although Mr. Daye may not be very strong at the moment, down-the-road, he has the makings of a highly effective NBA players, who’s a match-up nightmare for opponents.
Bargnani best make hay while the sun shines.
November 11th, 2009 at 1:00 am
That was a lot of work.
But many teams falter after making the big comeback for the simple reason that they are tired, their best players spent too long on the floor and in this case the Pistons were on a back-to back game having just played Orlando.
The situation tends to create match-up issues, rotations get screwed up, coaches make mistakes, and things just don’t work out as hoped. Coming back from 17 points down creates problems.
I’m sure the Pistons coach would like a do-over, but I’m also sure he thought he was making the right moves at the time.
November 11th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
brothersteve,
1. The simple fact is that it takes a great deal of “work” to develop a proper understanding of the NBA game.
2. Unfortunately, the judgment of the Pistons’ coach was wrong, in this instance.