POST [Game] MORTEM: Raptors at Knicks [Feb 20]

FINAL SCORE: Raptors 97, KNICKS 127
Complete Game Info

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Upgrading Jamario Moon [#3/2/4] with Shawn Marion [#4/3] while, simultaneously, down-grading Jermaine O’Neal [#4/5] with Marcus Banks [#1], was never going to solve the Raptors’ problems this season … given their cost-effectiveness, as NBA players, and the respective positions at which they can succeed in this league.

That said …

The talent disparity between these two rosters:

2008-2009

RAPTORS

KNICKS

Jose Calderon [1]

Anthony Parker [2]

Shawn Marion [3]

Chris Bosh [5-4]

Andrea Bargnani [5-4]

Chris Duhon [1]

Wilson Chandler [2]
Jared Jeffries [3]

Al Harrington [4]

David Lee [5]

Roko Ukic [1-2]

Jason Kapono [2-3]
Joey Graham [
3-4-2]

Nathan Jawai [4/5]
Patrick O’Bryant [5]

Nate Robinson [1]

Quetin Richardson [2-3]
David Gallinari [4-5]

Marcus Banks [1]

Jake Voskuhl [5-4]

Larry Hughes [2/3]

Chris Wilcox [4/5]

Kris Humphries [4-5/inj.]

Eddie Curry [5/inj.]


is nowhere near where it needs to be in order to warrant the 30-point shellacking administered by the home team last night.

 

 

TORONTO RAPTORS’ SUBSTITUTIONS at NEW YORK KNICKS

[Fri Feb 20 2009]

 

Time

1

2

3

4

5

Start

End

Diff

Q1 12:00

JC

AP

SM √

CB √

AB

00-00

07-19

-12

Q1 05:28

 

 

JG √

 

07-19

15-30

-3

Q1 02:54

 

RU

CB

15-30

19-30

 +4

Q1 02:16

RU

JK

AP

19-30

22-42

-9

Q2 12:00

RU

JK

JG

CB √

AB

22-42

24-47

-3

Q2 10:42

MB

 

 

24-47

29-57

-5

Q2 07:52

JC

MB

JK

SM

 

29-57

30-58

0

Q2 07:34

 

AP

 

 

30-58

36-62

  +2

Q2 05:36

 

 

 

CB

36-62

45-72

-1

Q2 02:03

 

JG

SM √

CB √

AB

45-72

50-75

 +2

Q2 00:03

RU

 

50-75

50-75

0

Q3 12:00

JC

AP

SM √

CB √

AB

50-75

56-83

-2

Q3 07:19

RU

JC

JG √

 

56-83

58-91

-6

Q3 05:37

 

 

JK

 

58-91

64-98

-1

Q3 02:59

 

JK

JG √

CB

 

64-98

75-101

+8

Q4 12:00

RU

JK

JG √

CB √

AB

75-101

84-111

-1

Q4 07:58

 

 

SM

 

84-111

88-116

-1

Q4 05:25

 

MB

JK

JG √

PO

88-116

89-116

+1

Q4 05:01

 

 

 

NJ

 

89-116

97-127

-3

Q4 00:00

RU

MB

JK

NJ

PO

 

 

 

 

LEGEND:

Non-Italics & Non-bold – Player in the game at this position; Italics – Player Shifted to a new position; Bold – New Player Subbed into the game at this position; √ – Solid Rebounder at this position; AB – Andrea Bargnani; AP – Anthony Parker; CB – Chris Bosh; JC – Jose Calderon; JG – Joey Graham; JK – Jason Kapono; JV – Jake Voskuhl; KH – Kris Humphries; MB – Marcus Banks; NJ – Nathan Jawai; PO – Patrick O’Bryant; RU – Roko Ukic; SM – Shawn Marion.

 

 

The Raptors now have a limited number of solid Rebounders [] on their team. Using 5-Man units with only 1 or 2 of these players in combination with one another for a period of 45:19 in a 48:00 game … rather than using 3 of them together [which the Raptors did yesterday for just 2:41] … means that this team is going to struggle:

 

[i] Keeping its opponent off the boards; and,

[ii] Generating easy Fast Break Points.

 

As long as the Raptors continue to construct this type of roster [overall] … which is capable of being outscored by 36 points from beyond the arc, in a game like last night’s … and use their existing players in this way, it will be difficult for them to win another game this season against a High End team.

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8 Responses to “POST [Game] MORTEM: Raptors at Knicks [Feb 20]”

  1. Scott G Says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems that you’ve only checked 3 players above. That means it would be hard/impossible to play them all together for any substantial period of time, which, as you point out, leads to bad things for our team.

  2. khandor Says:

    Scott G,

    A key to understanding what I’ve done/written in this chart is the three words:

    1. at
    2. this
    3. position.

    IMO …

    * Joey Graham is a solid Rebounder, if he is used at the #3 position, or at the #2-spot, or at the #4-spot with Shawn Marion at the other Forward position, i.e. which means that Marion is really the #4 and Graham is really the #3.

    * Shawn Marion is a solid Rebounder, PERIOD … but best at the #4.

    * Chris Bosh is a solid Rebounder, PERIOD … but best at the #5.

    The other player on the roster, however, who is a solid Rebounder, if he is used at the Point Guard position, is Anthony Parker.

    As long as the Raptors are not going to use AP, as their Back-up PG, then, yes, the observation you’ve made above is correct.

    The Raptors can, in fact, solve their own problem[s], right now … if the men running their team really do know what they’re doing. :-)

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    PS. Giving up Rebounders like [i] Rasho Nesterovic, in the Ford/O’Neal trade, and [ii] Jamario Moon, in the O’Neal/Marion trade, shows a lack of Basketball Acumen by the Raptors’ brain-trust … as does [iii] starting Andrea Bargnani, with this current collection of available players, and [iv] not using Chris Bosh to check the opponent’s Center [instead of their PF, which is, in part, leading to these injuries that CB4 is now sustaining]. Andrea Bargnani’s lack of Rebounding & adequate Team Defense … especially when playing beside someone like Jason Kapono … is a major problem on this team, not Chris Bosh, not Jose Calderon, and definitely not Jamario Moon.

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  5. Scott G Says:

    Okay… thanks for the clarification. But no thanks for the condescension; those three words you enumerated appear nowhere in the narrative the accompanies the chart.

    Questions – why do you feel that CB4 guarding 4′s is causing his injuries (at least in part)? Do you mean power-based 4′s? Or perimeter 4′s? And why would he be better off guarding the 5?

  6. khandor Says:

    Scott G,

    There was no condescension intended on my part. I was only pointing out those three words to you and others who might have mis-interpreted what I said/meant originally.

    You’re correct that those three words do not appear in what I wrote below the chart.

    Given the question you asked … it would have been more clear on my part if I would have bolded those three words in the LEGEND of the chart originally instead of just expecting viewers to read them there and then understand their significance to the rest of what I wrote.

    That’s a mistake in communication on my part which I wouldn’t have caught without your question … which was a good one, IMO. :-)

    What others perceive to be condescension is sometimes far removed from that, in fact, and is simply an attempt to be specific so that others can better understand what’s been written in the first place.

    re: Bosh’s injuries & who he guards

    CB4′s injuries are leg related. IMO, he has gotten those injuries, in part, due to the increased running, rotating and lateral sliding which is required of a #4, in comparison with a #5, in both half and full-court situations [i.e. offensively, defensively & rebounding] … not from the pushing, leaning and banging which occurs in the low post, associated with defending #5/C’s.

    THE WAY to defend BEST with a finesse player like Chris Bosh, at the Center position, is to:

    * Play behind opponent Bigs
    * Root opponents off the block from behind with an arm bar, shoulder, hip and leg
    * Concentrate on contesting opponent’s shots from each of the 5 positions, not just their Center
    * Concentrate on Shot-blocking, Providing Interior Help, and Anchoring the Team’s Defense
    * Concentrate on DEFENSIVE REBOUNDING all opponent misses, i.e. from an inside rebounding position
    * Disregard how many points the opponent’s Center scores … as just knowing that their offense will be FORCED to go through the post on most occasions gives the Defense a SIGNIFICANT strategic advantage
    * Concentrate instead on WINNING the game

    Chris Bosh is a terrific Center in the NBA … in the mold of Bill Russell. PERIOD.

    Bill Russell never half or full fronted. Bill Russell played behind. That’s the way to amass 20 Defensive Rebounds in a single game. That’s the way to become an outstanding shot-blocker, key your team’s fast break, and anchor the defense.

    That’s THE WAY to play the game at the Center position with an under-sized finesse player like Bill Russell and Chris Bosh. :-)

    The people who expect CB4 to play the game like Kobe or Lebron or D-Wade, etc. … simply have no idea what they are talking about.

    The Great Bill Russell was a FRANCHISE PLAYER before such a term was even invented and he never averaged more than 20 PPG in his entire, never scored a baskets for his team, and was never the goto guy for the Celtics.

    The fact is … Mr. Russell never had to do those things and, yet, won 11 NBA championships, while DOMINATING the game on the Boards, Shot-blocking, and anchoring His Team’s Defense.

    CB4 is a very talented young man with a tonne of ability and sound leadership skills.

    Unfortunately, much of it is being wasted, thus far, playing for the Toronto Raptors.

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    PS. Similarly …

    The Best way to use a finesse big man like Bill Russell [and Jack Sikma and Tim Duncan, etc.] and Chris Bosh is as an under-sized Center, where they have an inherent quickness advantage when matched-up against bigger #5′s.

  7. Scott G Says:

    Okay, I see your point about the legend, but that appeared to me to simply mean the spot that person was playing. Further, you have JG, SM, and CB checked, no matter which position each of them is playing, so I think you can see where the confusion originated. In any event, I’m just pointing out that stating things in the way you responded to my comment can come off badly. But, state things however you feel comfortable.

    As for the discussion of CB, it’s interesting that you feel he’s best suited to defend power-based bigs. I see the logic of your argument, but isn’t this also where Bargs is best used? Further, didn’t you argue that Bargs was the best person to defend Dwight Howard? Personally, I think I like leaving Bargs to bang, where he appears more comfortable anyway, and leaving Bosh to roam.

  8. khandor Says:

    Bargnani is the best player on the Raptors to defend Dwight Howard … because he is incapable of defending a different type of offensive player not because he is a better fit there than Chris Bosh.

    i.e.

    OPTION 1
    Bargnani vs Howard + Bosh vs Lewis/Turkoglu = better

    OPTION 2
    Bosh vs Howard + Bargnani vs Lewis/Turkoglu = WORSE

    If you get my drift.

    One of the major problems which the Raptors have had since the 2006 NBA Draft is the lack of compatibility between Bosh & Bargnani.

    Bill Laimbeer was a solid fit with James Edwards and John Salley, neither of whom was a Big like Chris Bosh.

    IMO …

    * The Raptors should never have picked Bargnani in the first place.
    * The Raptors will NEED to trade one of Bosh or Bargnani if they ever hope to succeed in a major way in the years ahead.

    The one I would choose to trade is Bargnani … given his short-comings on defense and in terms of rebounding, which are much more important to a Big in comparison with scoring.

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